Along with a very sweet tooth I share with the Marquis De Sade a quasi-mystical obsession with numbers. Certain numbers that have cropped up recently suggested a piece on the 18th century libertine tradition in French which the Divine Marquis radically re-envisioned at its culmination.
Originally the term libertine was used to describe political opponents of Calvin in Geneva, and went on to develop connotations of atheism and dangerous free-thinking. However by the 18th century the definition had narrowed to describe someone who was a sexual adventurer and debauchee. In the narrow homogeneous confines of French aristocratic circles in the Ancien Regime there flourished a literature which was entirely dedicated to examining the erotic manoeuvres and cynical mores of a fashionable society that pursued pleasure at all costs yet had to hypocritically maintain face .
Several novels including Diderot’s Les bijoux indiscrets (The Indiscreet Jewels) and Crebillon fils La Sopha (The Sofa) transposed the setting to Oriental locations to disguise the political satire of the court of Louis XV. Others were less cautious and set their novels in a contemporary setting with thinly veiled portraits of famous influential figures; the resulting scandals ruined careers and damaged reputations. Laclos the author of the masterpiece of libertine fiction and to my mind the greatest novel ever written, Les Liaisons Dangereuses (Dangerous Liasions) never escaped the notoriety that the book brought him; he unjustly became the byword for cynicism and Machiavellian scheming.
One of the central features of the libertine novel is the conflict between sense and sentiment that readers of Jane Austen will be familiar with. However unlike Austen they resolve themselves as an unsentimental education where the hero or heroine is taught the ways of the world and learns how to exploit others for their sensual gratification. As the prophet of the enlightenment Voltaire noted ‘Pleasure is the object, duty and the goal of all rational creatures’, and the aristocrats portrayed are above all rational creatures.
During their education, which always involves seduction and a subtle corruption the characters are taught about the moment. The moment is a key concept in libertine philosophy, it is when the object of desire is most susceptible to seduction. The newly minted libertines are made aware of when the moment is approaching, how to take full advantage of the moment and even how to manufacture the moment in someone who is inimical to seduction. The classic novels of sexual education are Crebillon fils Les Égarements du cœur et de l’esprit ou Mémoires de M. de Meilcour (The Wayward Heart and Head or the Memoirs of M. de Meilcour) and the Marquis De Sade’s La Philosophie dans le boudoir ou Les instituteurs immoraux (Philosophy in the Boudoir or The Immoral Teachers). De Sade of course is notably more extreme than his predecessors and combines elements of the Gothic and Baroque while pointing forward to Romanticism and Decadence.
I appreciate the written content of this post, but mostly I’m staring at the picture and missing my youth. Also, where’s the body hair?!
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I thought the picture was a little risky…shall I change it…I have two aesthetics one is black and white and stark and the other is trashy and lurid…thing is my mum looks at it from time to time
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No! I absolutely love it. Do not change it!
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I thought it suited the piece…it has a boudoir feel to it…it obviously overwhelms the waffle about libertine fiction which is probably a good thing
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Haha, it’s wonderful, as is the libertine discourse.
Meanwhile, my non-noir alter ego (or alter alter ego) is erotica author @SalomeWilde on Twitter.
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Interesting…I will have to get a twitter account…can you send me a link
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Twitter.com ?
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I worked it out…I am a bit computer stupid
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We all are…the tweens rule.
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I found it…thanks for the re-tweet
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Salome now that is a book…the beardsley illustrations
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My nom de plume rules.
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Thank you for all the support and comments…you are one of my loyalist followers and I always appreciate you taking the time to read my digressions
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I enjoy them, as I’m sure do others. Most ppl just don’t comment.
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Thank you …watch out for more libetine posts and stuff on…ummm…mirrors
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I shall.
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Thank you
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i can see that you really liked the picture
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That is wild…however I think I shall edit this comment just in case my mum stops by
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Mind you I think the picture is going to take some explaining
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jesus no…my daughter is almost that age…my mum is in her 60’s
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My mom is even older but she is a sociologist so she takes all in stride. Also pen name. 🙂
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Ahh…clever…again I am bit stupid…late here good night
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I’m pretty sure my daughter doesn’t look…hopefully not but anyway she is used to the dubious contents of my bookcase
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My teen son just rolls his eyes.
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Excellent post. I learned so much about libertine philosophy!
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it is quite cynical but it is interesting
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Interesting– I hadn’t heard of this subgenre (but I was never a lit major due to all of the essays and criticism, which is why I majored in theater). How about Portrait of a Lady? Does that fit the bill? As for DH Lawrence, I’ve only read Sons and Lovers and part of the Rainbow and it’s been a long time. Do these? I remember loving Sons and Lovers due to the Expressionistic writing.
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usually it is confined to French novels in the 18th century with the terminus being the French Revolution and the work of De Sade who took it to the absolute limit…it’s French so it heavy on both the erotic content and philosophical discourse…Lord Rochester in England in the late 17th century is sometimes included, especially the filthiest play ever written Sodom which also has the maddest and most impossible stage directions
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I would probably lose patience then. At this point in life I need to get through things faster.
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Dangerous liaisons and the wayward heart and head are definitely worth reading and are excellent novels…and aren’t too long either
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Wonderful post. And the art is a mind twist, still trying to sort out whose limbs belong to whom and how many women there are. Almost Escher-esque. Great run down on some literature that I think I need to put on my reading list. And “the moment”…immediately got me thinking of times I’ve been seduced and yes indeed, there is a moment, isn’t there? 😊
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Only the French could build a whole philosophy ‘on the moment’. Definitely recommend The Wayward Heart and Head and Dangerous Liaisons of course. The cynicism of libertine fiction is appalling but makes for great literature. I am glad that you enjoyed and thank you for your comments.
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Oh! Phone dying! More later…
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Now a proper comment. Still awake? Is a sweet tooth and an obsession with numbers the only thing you share with with De Sade? (Smiling)
The painting. It forces you to examine it, right? And I think it seduces a little all on its own. As for the moment, what a manipulative idea/practice. Yet I wonder if to a certain extent that isn’t part of all social interactions. Seduced into sex? Yes. Love. Maybe. Friendship. Also, maybe. There’s a tipping point. And you recognize it (as a seducer) and you make your move. It’s the make or break moment. then the reaction. I reject your love. I reject your friendship (a gesture to get closer) I spurn your advances for sex. Or… I yield, acquiesce, give myself over willingly. That is the moment. No?
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The libertines didn’t have much time for love, in The Sofa a man is transformed into a sofa and the only way the spell can be broken is when he witnesses true love, he remains a sofa for a long long time. The libertines were convinced that the moment could be manufactured with anyone as everyone really secretly want pleasure, but pleasure is always political. I am glad that the post provokes thought. The painting is risqué but it is fascinating. As for De Sade I am fascinated by his life but his vision is horrifying, but I admire that he followed his arguments to their logical limits.
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Everyone does want pleasure. Sometimes pleasure is accompanied by genuine affection. Or is that a romantic notion? Peculiarly female? What do you think?
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Well the libertines were all male. However Laclos wrote an essay on the necessity of education for women and while De Sade Justine is accursed of misogyny his Juliette is also a liberated woman (though a rather gruesome one). As for myself I am not nearly as cynical as the libertines
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We women… so underestimated for so long.
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I never underestimate women.
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Of that I am sure!
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Thank you
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I keep returning to the painting…
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It is a good painting
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Trying to determine just how many bodies are in that mélange! And which limbs belong to whom.
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It is a puzzle
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Oh, I totally understood all of this! Maybe I should read all your stuff twice. 😀 I love that painting. Makes me examine it very slowly.
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You are getting used to Cakeland and the weird and wonderful things there.
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Probably. Lol. I like weird and wonderful. This philosophy and art stuff is really new to me. But I’m happy to learn.
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Well I am always happy to help and answer questions if I know the answers.
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Thanks, Cake! You’re always very nice. 😊
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I try and manners cost nothing and maketh the man.
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Or woman. 😉😊
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Indeed
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Did you read my poem collaboration with Meg and Nat? It’s good stuff!
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Sorry I have been out of action for most of this week… been very under the weather… I will catch up shortly.
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Oh no, I’m sorry you’ve not felt good. 😦 Are you better now? It was just posted today so you’re not behind.
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Thank you I am a little bit today… I will be over shortly.
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I hope you’re all the way better soon.
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Thanks Vic I hope so to.
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So that’s where Ian Flemming got the title for Octopussy. I always wondered. I can certainly count 8 tentacles. Marvelous! Don’t change the painting.
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Thanks Roger, this is an older post when I still had some scruples left. That ship has long left the port and set sail. Glad you like.
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Interesting stuff! I am going to have to read this novel Dangerous Liaisons. I saw the movie and liked it. They are fascinating people…
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I am very impartial I think it is a great novel, in fact as I said in the post the greatest novel. Valmont and Merteuil are two of the best villains in literature and the battle of the sexes is epic.
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On the To Read list. I see there are free downloads of it, but I think they are all in French…
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English translations are handily available and shouldn’t be too expensive
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Oh yes, all classics are cheap! I could get one on Amazon for a penny 🙂 Ironic huh?
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Nobody has time for the classics these days…sigh
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I’m certain I could never keep up with you in a conversation. Your intellect is addictive. I want more of your thoughts on numbers. Do you have any posts available, Mr. Cake?
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Not specifically on numbers but they play a large part in what I post and how, the length etc. I see you have read some of my De Sade posts, I will send you others and a piece of fiction that has a lot of number mysticism. And nonsense Ms Dawn, you can certainly come up with me.
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I understand. Thank you for the links, Sir.
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My pleasure
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https://cakeordeathsite.wordpress.com/2017/03/24/the-grammaire-of-magic/
Not numbers but language
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I read this twice, Mr. Cake. Thank you
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https://cakeordeathsite.wordpress.com/2017/01/25/the-passionate-philosopher/
Another De Sade with links to most of my De Sade posts
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Can’t think of anything better than a passionate philosopher. Again, this is a rare window into a world I’m not familiar with, and I thank you for the tour.
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All philosophy should be passionate don’t you think Ms Dawn. For too long it has been a dry as dust subject but this is life after all.
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Yes, Mr. Cake I do believe philosophy is valuable conversation and incredibly sexy, as well.
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Well let’s hoping that it will be more passionate and less academic in the future.
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https://cakeordeathsite.wordpress.com/2016/12/23/to-come-up-here-first-you-have-to-go-down-below-xii-xxiii/
My story with a lot of numbers
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Indeed it is. I enjoyed reading your post this afternoon. It was quite a walk. You captivate.
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You are too kind Ms Dawn
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The same can be said of you, Mr. Cake
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Now you are really being too kind
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I can’t help myself.
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Well I do appreciate it very much.
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Thank you Ms Dawn.
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I love this post. One of my favorites, now. Dangerous Liaisons is one of the best books I have ever read. Definitely in my top five choices.
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Stunning book my top two and probably will be to the day I shuffle off this plane are Dangerous Liaisons and Alice in Wonderland. I am thinking of doing a follow up post to this in greater detail.
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I for one, would love a follow-up. P.S. Alice in Wonderland–nice!
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Alice makes frequent appearances here. When in doubt I always think ‘What would Alice do’.
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That is quite excellent.
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I think there are about three posts, one about Humpty Dumpty, another about mirrors and then one about various illustrations.
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I love the Humpty Dumpty post.
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Thank you, the mirror one is where I get all deep and shit with my fanciful theories. The illustrations is a good as well, but I would say that.
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You know, I’m wondering if I missed that one?
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Well I will send it to you, you probably haven’t and I shouldn’t expect anyone to keep tabs on all my post apart from myself.
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Please do. I know some escape my radar now and again.
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https://cakeordeathsite.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/mirrorrorrim/
Well I write quite a lot but never in a completely systematic way. If only I would focus I could have finished three or four books by now. But no, one minute it’s Blake than Durer then Japanese art then politics. Ah well what you gonna do.
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A wonderful text, I love the subject and the comments are most entertaining too. I find the painting interesting but not really sensual, a matter of taste. Dangerous Liaisons is one of the most captivating novels I have read, I found it very enticing and sensual. Later the movie with Malkovich was a fabulous libertine and the film was not a disappointment like so many films based on novels. Thank you for the fabulous post Mr. Cake, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I love Dangerous Liaisons, obviously, an astonishing novel. The Wayward Heart and Head is brilliant as well, masterful irony and ambiguity. No Tomorrow by Vivant Denon is a sparkling diamond of a tale (not sure if I mentioned this but it definitely libertine). I enjoyed the movie as well, even Cruel Intentions is a good riff on the book. As for De Sade, well you know how extensively I have written about him.
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I never tire of Liaisons, it is brilliantly clever and shockingly deceitful. I have seen Intentions as well. These novels can be read at Project Gutenberg, a site where one can access books free of charge, I hope to go there and read the two books you reference. As for the Marquis, I recently watched a movie/docu supposedly based on his time in prison that was rather sympathetic to his plight. Prior to your post I had little if any knowledge of his story.
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I never tire of Liaisons either. No Tomorrow is a novella and really is a jewel. I am glad that you are taking my recommendations, I feel proud.
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I would not know about this genus of literature were it not for your reviews and recommendations. Generally, my reading is confined to the well known classics. So, I thank you for opening up the door to diversity. Have a wonderful day, you should feel proud.
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Thank you Miss Heart… there is a counter tradition, most of its work are minor but no less worthy, and I like to do my bit. I am feeling proud because of your lovely comments 😘
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Nothing more than you deserve. 😘
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What you get and want you deserve are two different things in this life.
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So painfully true, or a blessing , depending on what we get.
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Promises promises Miss Heart
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